1787
Context Series · Episode 10
The Convention Record

Democracy
and Republic
1787

The Constitutional Convention debated direct election versus representative government across four months in Philadelphia. Ten documented voices. Six surviving note-taking records. The documents are at Yale Avalon, Founders Online, and the Library of Congress.

Period

May–September 1787

Documented voices

10 delegates

Note-taking records

Madison · Yates · King · Pierce · McHenry · Lansing

Primary sources

15 confirmed

The debate over what form of government the Constitution established was recorded by multiple delegates in real time. What follows is drawn from those records.

01
Federalist Papers · November 1787
Madison's Published Definitions

In November and December 1787, James Madison published three essays in The Federalist Papers that defined the terms directly. Federalist No. 10, November 22, 1787, at Yale Avalon:

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The two great points of difference between a democracy and a republic are: first, the delegation of the government, in the latter, to a small number of citizens elected by the rest; secondly, the greater number of citizens, and greater sphere of country, over which the latter may be extended.

James Madison · Federalist No. 10 · November 22, 1787 Yale Avalon →

Madison defined his term directly in the same essay:

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A pure democracy, by which I mean a society consisting of a small number of citizens, who assemble and administer the government in person, can admit of no cure for the mischiefs of faction.

James Madison · Federalist No. 10 · November 22, 1787 Yale Avalon →

Federalist No. 14, November 30, 1787, repeated the distinction:

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It is, that in a democracy, the people meet and exercise the government in person; in a republic, they assemble and administer it by their representatives and agents. A democracy, consequently, will be confined to a small spot. A republic may be extended over a large region.

James Madison · Federalist No. 14 · November 30, 1787 Yale Avalon →

Federalist No. 39, January 16, 1788, defined republic:

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We may define a republic to be, or at least may bestow that name on, a government which derives all its powers directly or indirectly from the great body of the people, and is administered by persons holding their offices during pleasure, for a limited period, or during good behaviour.

James Madison · Federalist No. 39 · January 16, 1788 Yale Avalon →
02
Convention Floor · May–July 1787
Madison's Convention Speeches — The Floor Record

These published essays were written months after the Convention. The convention floor debates were recorded by Madison himself and by parallel note-takers. Robert Yates of New York kept his own record. Rufus King of Massachusetts kept notes. William Pierce of Georgia kept notes. Their records largely corroborate each other and are each at Yale Avalon.

Madison's convention speech of June 6, 1787, recorded in his own notes:

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In a Republican Govt. the Majority if united have always an opportunity. The only remedy is to enlarge the sphere, & thereby divide the community into so great a number of interests & parties, that in the 1st. place a majority will not be likely at the same moment to have a common interest separate from that of the whole.

James Madison · Convention Speech · June 6, 1787 · Madison's Notes Founders Online →

Madison's convention speech of June 26, 1787, as recorded by Robert Yates:

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Mr. Madison was for 7 years — Considers this branch as a check on the democracy.

Robert Yates's Notes · June 26, 1787 · Recording Madison's speech on the Senate term Yale Avalon · Yates Notes →

The Farrand Records, referenced in the Founders Online annotation to the same June 26 debate, quote Madison on the Senate's function:

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Landholders ought to have a share in the government, to support these invaluable interests and to balance and check the other. They ought to be so constituted as to protect the minority of the opulent against the majority.

James Madison · June 26, 1787 · Farrand Records Vol. I · cited in Founders Online annotation Founders Online →
Note on the records: Madison's convention notes were not published until after his death in 1836. He revised them over decades. Robert Yates's notes, published in 1821, provide a parallel record taken by a different delegate at the same sessions. Rufus King's notes (Yale Avalon: king.asp) and William Pierce's notes (Yale Avalon: pierce.asp) offer additional corroboration. Where records differ, both versions are in the archive.
03
The Range of Positions · May–September 1787
Other Documented Voices

Fifty-five delegates attended the Convention. The debate over how the president should be elected — by direct popular vote, by state legislatures, or by electors — was recorded across multiple sessions. The July 17 debate is at Yale Avalon.

James Wilson · Pennsylvania · For direct popular election

by the people at large... by the freeholders of the Country.

Convention debates · Quoted in Constitution Center account of July 17 debate · Yale Avalon July 17 →

Wilson spoke 168 times at the Convention — second only to Gouverneur Morris. He proposed direct election twice. Both proposals were defeated.

Elbridge Gerry · Massachusetts · Against direct popular election

The people are uninformed, and would be misled by a few designing men.

Convention debates · July 17, 1787 · Yale Avalon →
George Mason · Virginia · Against direct popular election

It would be as unnatural to refer the choice of a proper character for chief Magistrate to the people, as it would, to refer a trial of colours to a blind man. The extent of the Country renders it impossible that the people can have the requisite capacity to judge of the respective pretensions of the Candidates.

Convention debates · July 17, 1787 · Yale Avalon →
Roger Sherman · Connecticut · For legislative election

The people will never be sufficiently informed of characters, and besides will never give a majority of votes to any one man. They will generally vote for some man in their own State, and the largest State will have the best chance for the appointment.

Convention debates · July 17, 1787 · Yale Avalon →
Alexander Hamilton · New York · Convention speech, June 18, 1787

Gentlemen say we need to be rescued from the democracy. But what the means proposed? A democratic assembly is to be checked by a democratic senate, and both these by a democratic chief magistrate. The end will not be answered — the means will not be equal to the object.

Hamilton's Convention Notes · June 18, 1787 · Founders Online →

Robert Yates recorded Hamilton's speech of June 26, 1787:

Alexander Hamilton · Yates's record of June 26 speech

Real liberty is neither found in despotism or the extremes of democracy, but in moderate governments. Those who mean to form a solid republican government, ought to proceed to the confines of another government. As long as offices are open to all men, and no constitutional rank is established, it is pure republicanism. But if we incline too much to democracy, we shall soon shoot into a monarchy.

Robert Yates's Notes · June 26, 1787 · Yale Avalon · Yates Notes →

Rufus King's notes from May 31, 1787, document the early position of the Pennsylvania and Virginia delegations on popular election of the legislature:

Rufus King · Massachusetts · Notes of May 31, 1787

Mason, Virginia — in favor of popular choice, because the first Branch is to represent the People. We must not go too far. A portion of Democracy should be preserved; our own children in a short time will be among the general mass.

Rufus King's Notes · May 31, 1787 · Yale Avalon · King Notes →
04
The Constitution · Article IV Section 4
The Guarantee Clause

The Constitution uses the word "republican" in its only direct specification of what form of government the states must maintain. Article IV, Section 4, full text at the National Archives:

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The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against Invasion; and on Application of the Legislature, or of the Executive (when the Legislature cannot be convened) against domestic Violence.

Constitution of the United States · Article IV Section 4 · September 17, 1787 National Archives →

The Constitution Annotated at Congress.gov documents the history of this clause, including the Supreme Court's consistent treatment of Guarantee Clause questions as political rather than judicial — meaning the courts have not defined what "republican form of government" requires in practice.

05
The Party Name · 1792 and After
Jefferson and Madison's Party

In 1792, Thomas Jefferson and James Madison organized an opposition party against Hamilton's Federalists. At the time, they and their contemporaries called it "the Republican Party" or "the Republicans." The compound name "Democratic-Republican Party" was applied by historians in the nineteenth and twentieth centuries to distinguish it from the Republican Party founded in 1854. Jefferson and Madison never used that compound name.

Record note: The party name is documented through the historical record of the period. The retroactive historian's label "Democratic-Republican" is acknowledged in standard reference works in the Founders Online editorial apparatus. The founders' own usage — "the Republicans" — is documented in their correspondence at Founders Online.
06
September 17, 1787 · The Final Day
Franklin's Address and Observations

On the final day of the Convention, Benjamin Franklin — 81 years old, unable to stand — had James Wilson read a prepared address. The full text is in Madison's notes at Yale Avalon. Three delegates refused to sign the Constitution that day: George Mason and Edmund Randolph of Virginia, and Elbridge Gerry of Massachusetts.

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I confess that there are several parts of this constitution which I do not at present approve, but I am not sure I shall never approve them: For having lived long, I have experienced many instances of being obliged by better information, or fuller consideration, to change opinions even on important subjects, which I once thought right, but found to be otherwise.

Benjamin Franklin · Address to the Convention · September 17, 1787 · Read by James Wilson Yale Avalon →
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Thus I consent, Sir, to this Constitution because I expect no better, and because I am not sure that it is not the best. The opinions I have had of its errors, I sacrifice to the public good.

Benjamin Franklin · Address to the Convention · September 17, 1787 Yale Avalon →

Franklin's address was reprinted in more than forty newspapers before the end of 1787. He did not list his objections to the Constitution at the Convention, and did not state them publicly afterward.

Madison's notes document a separate observation Franklin made as the final signatures were being written:

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I have often and often in the course of the Session, and the vicisitudes of my hopes and fears as to its issue, looked at that behind the President without being able to tell whether it was rising or setting: But now at length I have the happiness to know that it is a rising and not a setting Sun.

Benjamin Franklin · Observation on Washington's Chair · September 17, 1787 · Recorded by Madison Yale Avalon →

A separate account of the day is preserved in the journal of James McHenry, a Maryland delegate, now at the Library of Congress Manuscript Division. McHenry recorded an exchange between Franklin and a Philadelphia resident as the delegates departed:

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A lady asked Dr. Franklin Well Doctor what have we got a republic or a monarchy — A republic replied the Doctor if you can keep it.

James McHenry · Journal · September 17–18, 1787 · Manuscript Division · Library of Congress · The lady was Elizabeth Willing Powel of Philadelphia Library of Congress →
Record note: The McHenry exchange is not recorded in Madison's notes. It appears only in McHenry's journal. This is a documented instance where a parallel note-taker recorded something the primary record does not contain. The McHenry journal is held at the Library of Congress Manuscript Division and was used by Max Farrand in compiling The Records of the Federal Convention of 1787 (1911).
✦ Primary Sources ✦
Go Deeper — The Convention Record
15 confirmed sources · All URLs live · Multiple institutional archives · Six note-taking records
Yale Avalon Project
Federalist No. 10 · Madison · November 22, 1787 · Definition of pure democracy and republic · Faction and scale
avalon.law.yale.edu
Yale Avalon Project
Federalist No. 14 · Madison · November 30, 1787 · "In a democracy the people meet in person; in a republic, by their representatives"
avalon.law.yale.edu
Yale Avalon Project
Federalist No. 39 · Madison · January 16, 1788 · Formal definition of republic · "Derives all its powers from the great body of the people"
avalon.law.yale.edu
Yale Avalon Project
Convention Debates · July 17, 1787 · Direct election debate · Wilson, Gerry, Mason, Sherman documented in same session
avalon.law.yale.edu
Founders Online
Madison Convention Speech · June 6, 1787 · "In a Republican Govt. the Majority if united have always an opportunity"
founders.archives.gov
Founders Online
Madison Convention Speech · June 26, 1787 · Senate term debate · Farrand Records citation on minority protection
founders.archives.gov
Founders Online
Hamilton's Convention Notes · June 18, 1787 · "Gentlemen say we need to be rescued from the democracy"
founders.archives.gov
Yale Avalon Project
Robert Yates's Convention Notes · Parallel record · "Check on the democracy" · Hamilton's June 26 speech recorded
avalon.law.yale.edu
Yale Avalon Project
Rufus King's Convention Notes · Massachusetts delegate · Parallel record corroborating May–June debates
avalon.law.yale.edu
Yale Avalon Project
William Pierce's Convention Notes · Georgia delegate · Additional parallel record of May 1787 debates
avalon.law.yale.edu
National Archives
Constitution of the United States · Full text · Article IV Section 4 — Guarantee Clause · "Republican Form of Government"
archives.gov
Constitution Annotated · Congress.gov
Article IV Section 4 · Guarantee Clause · Full annotations · Supreme Court's treatment as a political question
constitution.congress.gov
Yale Avalon Project
Convention Debates · September 17, 1787 · Franklin's final address · The rising sun observation · Final signatures
avalon.law.yale.edu
Library of Congress
McHenry Journal · "A republic if you can keep it" · LOC Manuscripts blog documenting the McHenry journal source and provenance
loc.gov
Online Library of Liberty
John Adams · A Defence of the Constitutions of Government · 1787 · Vol. 4 of the Works · Treatment of republic, democracy, monarchy as governmental forms
oll.libertyfund.org
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