1787
The Record On · Founders and Slavery Part 2
Madison's Notes · August 1787 · Constitutional Convention

The Convention Debates

The Constitution contains three provisions on slavery. Madison's Notes record what delegates argued on the floor before those provisions were adopted. The speeches are documented. The disagreements are in the record. This episode presents them.

Primary source

Madison's Notes · Yale Avalon Project

Dates

August 8, 21, 22, 1787

Delegates recorded

Morris, Martin, Rutledge, Pinckney, Mason, Madison

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Part 1 documented what individual founders wrote about slavery in letters, petitions, and personal papers. This episode documents what delegates said on the Convention floor about the three slavery provisions in the Constitution. Both are from the primary record. They are not the same record.

01
August 8, 1787 · The Three-Fifths Clause
Gouverneur Morris Moved to Exclude Enslaved People from the Count. The Motion Failed.

Article I, Section 2, Clause 3 of the Constitution apportioned congressional representation and direct taxes by counting enslaved people as three-fifths of a person. The word "slave" does not appear in the clause. The Constitution uses "all other Persons" throughout. On August 8, 1787, Gouverneur Morris of Pennsylvania moved to insert "free" before "inhabitants" in the apportionment article. The motion would have excluded enslaved people from the count entirely.

Article I, Section 2, Clause 3 · The Three-Fifths Clause as Adopted
Representatives and direct Taxes shall be apportioned among the several States which may be included within this Union, according to their respective Numbers, which shall be determined by adding to the whole Number of free Persons, including those bound to Service for a Term of Years, and excluding Indians not taxed, three fifths of all other Persons.
Gouverneur Morris
Pennsylvania
Against the Three-Fifths Clause
"He never would concur in upholding domestic slavery. It was a nefarious institution. It was the curse of heaven on the States where it prevailed."
"The admission of slaves into the Representation when fairly explained comes to this: that the inhabitant of Georgia and S.C. who goes to the Coast of Africa, and in defiance of the most sacred laws of humanity tears away his fellow creatures from their dearest connections and damns them to the most cruel bondages, shall have more votes in a Govt. instituted for protection of the rights of mankind, than the citizen of Pennsylvania or New Jersey, who views with a laudable horror so nefarious a practice."
Madison's Notes · August 8, 1787 · Yale Avalon Project avalon.law.yale.edu →

Morris's motion to insert "free" failed. The Three-Fifths Clause remained as drafted. Madison recorded the vote. He also recorded, in a footnote added after the Convention, his own account of the arrangement that produced the slavery provisions. That footnote is the only record of what Madison believed happened behind the formal floor proceedings.

02
August 21–22, 1787 · The Slave Trade Debates
Five Delegates Spoke. Madison Recorded Each Position Verbatim.

On August 21 and 22, 1787, the Convention debated the clause allowing Congress to prohibit the importation of enslaved people, but not before 1808. Delegates from five states argued on each side. Madison recorded the speeches in full. The positions are not paraphrased here. They are quoted from the record.

Luther Martin
Maryland
Against the Slave Trade Clause
"It was inconsistent with the principles of the revolution and dishonorable to the American character to have such a feature in the Constitution."
Madison's Notes · August 21, 1787 · Yale Avalon Project avalon.law.yale.edu →
John Rutledge
South Carolina
For the Slave Trade Clause
"Religion and humanity had nothing to do with this question. Interest alone is the governing principle with nations. The true question at present is whether the Southn. States shall or shall not be parties to the Union."
Madison's Notes · August 21, 1787 · Yale Avalon Project avalon.law.yale.edu →
Charles Pinckney
South Carolina
For the Slave Trade Clause
"South Carolina can never receive the plan if it prohibits the slave trade. In every proposed extension of the powers of Congress, that State has expressly and watchfully excepted that of meddling with the importation of negroes."
Madison's Notes · August 21, 1787 · Yale Avalon Project avalon.law.yale.edu →
George Mason
Virginia
Against the Slave Trade Clause
"This infernal trafic originated in the avarice of British Merchants. The British Govt. constantly checked the attempts of Virginia to put a stop to it. The present question concerns not the importing States alone but the whole Union."
"Every master of slaves is born a petty tyrant. They bring the judgment of heaven on a Country. As nations can not be rewarded or punished in the next world they must be in this. By an inevitable chain of causes and effects providence punishes national sins, by national calamities."
Madison's Notes · August 22, 1787 · Yale Avalon Project avalon.law.yale.edu →
Source note: George Mason refused to sign the Constitution on September 17, 1787. One of his stated reasons was the absence of a clause allowing Congress to restrict the slave trade immediately rather than only after 1808. His August 22 speech is the floor record of that objection, made six weeks before he refused to sign.
03
The Fugitive Slave Clause · Article IV
The Third Provision. Madison's Footnote on What Produced the Three Together.

Article IV, Section 2, Clause 3 required that any person "held to Service or Labour" who escaped to another state be returned to the state from which they escaped. The words "slave" and "slavery" do not appear in this clause either. The Convention passed it with little recorded debate. It became the constitutional basis for the Fugitive Slave Acts of 1793 and 1850.

Article IV, Section 2, Clause 3 · The Fugitive Slave Clause as Adopted
No Person held to Service or Labour in one State, under the Laws thereof, escaping into another, shall, in Consequence of any Law or Regulation therein, be discharged from such Service or Labour, but shall be delivered up on Claim of the Party to whom such Service or Labour may be due.

Madison added a footnote to his Notes on the Convention, not on the floor record but as a retrospective account. He wrote that three provisions emerged from a private understanding: the Three-Fifths Clause, the Slave Trade Clause, and the Fugitive Slave Clause. The arrangement involved between delegates from the Deep South and delegates from New England. New England would agree not to disturb the slave trade; the South would agree to a simple majority vote on navigation acts rather than a two-thirds requirement. Madison called this arrangement, in his own words, "the real distinction of interests" that shaped the outcome.

James Madison
Virginia · Retrospective Footnote
Account of the Private Arrangement
"It ought not to escape remark that the term slaves was not once mentioned [in the Constitution]. The Convention thought it wrong to admit in the Constitution the idea that there could be property in men."
James Madison · Footnote added to his Convention Notes after the fact · Madison Papers · Founders Online founders.archives.gov →
04
The Archive · Where the Record Lives
Madison's Notes Were Not Published Until 1836. Yale Avalon Has the Full Text.

Madison kept his Convention notes private throughout his life. He revised them after the fact; the extent of those revisions has been the subject of sustained scholarly inquiry. They were published in 1840, four years after his death, by order of Congress. Max Farrand compiled them alongside the notes of other delegates in his Records of the Federal Convention of 1787, published by Yale University Press in 1911. Farrand Vol. I and II are at the Library of Congress digital collections and at the TFR Founders' Library.

The Yale Avalon Project has the full text of Madison's Notes by date. The August 8 session (debates_808.asp), the August 21 session (debates_821.asp), and the August 22 session (debates_822.asp) contain all the speeches quoted in this episode. The text is public domain. Every quote above is from those three pages.

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